To molest someone implies a certain level of abuse, be it by trickery, coercion, the use of force, or the threat of force.

It may imply that to you, but to the vast majority of people it means whenever an adult is sexual with a minor, whether or not the minor consents. I'm sorry you don't like the word. I don't like it much either. And I don't think consensual sex is anything close to rape or coersive sex. But the word that describes it remains the same.

Do you have some statistics or are you just guessing that the percentage would be high?

I'm guessing based on the number of stories available about kids that were harmed versus the number of stories available about kids who were not. What are you basing your guess on? Are you saying it's ok to play the odds when it comes to a boy's well being?

and I think you are vastly under-estimating it. Obviously, one of us is wrong. What makes you think it is Cat or I and not you?

See above.

First of all, must you be so crude?

There are times when crudeness is called for. I thought this was one of those times. I apologize if I upset your sense of propriety.

Second of all...you do realize you just claimed that just because it feels good it doesnt mean it is pleasurable right? Something that is pleasurable is something that feels good, that's what it actually means. As to whether it is loving or not, that depends on whether it was an act of love.

Yes, I realized exactly what I claimed and I stand behind it. I've had things that were physically pleasurable that were not emotionally or mentally pleasurable. I'd be surprised if you have not had the same. And what may seem loving to the giver may not seem loving to the receiver.

I have no doubt it can confuse the kid. But "often"? I can't say I have any statistics to show whether this would be the case often or not. Do you?

Nope. No statistics. So I ask again, do you want to play the odds with a boys life?

Or he may like it.

Or he may commit suicide later out of shame. It's not common, but it has happened, as I'm sure you know. So we go back to whether or not you want to play the odds. Look. I can respond to all your other points, but it all comes down to this. I have no statistics and you have no statistics. I've admitted that not all boys are harmed by sexual contact and you have admitted that sexual contact is not neccesary to be a positive influence in a boys life. So why are you defending the sexual aspect? Do you think it's ok to role the dice with a boy's life for the sake of some physical pleasure? To focus on the posibility that a boy MIGHT NOT be harmed is giving license to boylovers who have that strong desire to go ahead and be sexual with their YFs. Why would you promote such a thing, even if you think the odds are a hundred to one? Boys are hurt all the time by having sexual contact with adults. Forget the percentages, IT HAPPENS. A LOT. So at the risk of offending your delicate sensibilities once again, boylovers should keep there dicks in their pants and leave the boy's dicks alone. If anyone wants to play the odds, go to a casino. If you play the odds with a boy's life, don't you dare call yourself a boylover. Call yourself what you are: a selfish prick who cares more about his own gratification than the boy he supposedly loves.

Dakota