Q spiff:
That was the most incoherant thing I have ever read by what I am guessing is an adult. I hope that you are not a native speaker of English because if you are this is just sad.

No I'm Dutch but all my life there has been American comedy series on Dutch television with subtitles which I have been watching a lot for years. Though the last 18 years not anymore. Did you know that there is a lot of American series and films on European television? Or aren't you from the US? By the way is this forum located in the US anyway? Not to mention years of English classes in the Dutch education system which put an emphasis on BRITISH English teaching. I think this accounts for the crazy tone you noticed I reckon.

I'm sorry it was sort of incomplete but it's like I'm working an elephant through the internet line. The whole will be coherent.

My age is 30 and I'm not married.

Q spiff:
So you are saying that heterosexual men, Christian or not, will not get an erection when a naked woman puts her arms around him? Are you saying that a man not at all being attracted to his wife would not be a major problem in a marriage? We'd probably agree on that but what is your solution?

In this example I meant the sort of nice GIRL you would suddenly notice on the street, work or on a picture on the internet. In the beginning of a marriage everything is interesting about each other but marriage is really like business. If you realize this in the beginning you then take these interesting things, like sex and experience and know that this attraction will pass. If you then think bussiness like in the beginning you would enforce your joint bussiness and happily look for a way to satisfy your new desire together.

So what I am saying is that marriage needs bussiness decisions. You know that the sexual attraction will be out in 20 years but there are lots of possibilities to enjoy this anyway. I think its a sinn or shame to trow away what two people have built for years for the pleasure comperative to like drinking some beers. Or going on vacation. I think you just ........(endless possibilities). Actually rescuing other young people the same time. Of course you need to well balance exactly this major important point. Beacause having something sensible in this decides the succes. Which I feel can be hard seeing the current christian/church basic vision on this matter. Like...in secret. The Lord will not let you lose what is rightfully yours and has given/permitted you to your honoring Him in it to free the way to get WHAT YOU WANT. While it's things said in His name that you can't go on. Still, He's Boss and we are just this creatures.

I just feel to say now that mocking around with Lord Jesus Christ is a terrible dangerous thing and just doesn't bring what you want.

The principal I described above is everyone's individual decision. And what I have discovered is that in this issue the Lord is prepared to simply divorce what ?He? bound earlyer if people only act sensible and really do what it takes to be sure to get it from Him.

This is why I put in these comforting texts in this post earlier: Submitted by zxc on 2007-01-24 05:05:56, Wednesday
In reply to Re: Anti BL Drugs? submitted by zxc on 2007-01-21 20:02:34, Sunday


--> 1 john 2:27
As for you, the anointing which you received from him remains in you, and you don’t need for anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, you will remain in him.

Romans 10
XX 14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in him whom they have not heard? How will they hear without a preacher? XX

And this one:
marc 4:26

26 He {Jesus Christ} said, “The Kingdom of God is as if a man should cast seed on the earth,
27 and should sleep and rise night and day, and the seed should spring up and grow, he doesn’t know how.
28 For the earth bears fruit: first the blade, then the ear, then the full grain in the ear.

Jesus means "the" growing thing in all issues in life which opens the door to anything you put your mind to:

John 15:7
7 If you remain in me, and my words remain in you, you will ask whatever you desire, and it will be done for you.

Q spiff

Good I'm glad you enjoy being married. Are you also not a heterosexual like most of us here? Is that a struggle in your marriage (I assume to a woman)?

Yes I am. Exactly the point I am trying to make is that since God is the creator and He has revealed to me how it works in sexual attraction there is only one totally acceptable, complete way of handeling sexual feelings. Which is commonly known as heterosexual. Which means that even the most righteous, piously admonishing you, 100% nicely married (of course heterosexual, or do we not acknowledge these terms?) man or brother nearby you has a sexual feeling for boys or men (even animals if you would say it totally correct) Or a tree. Maybe underpants. In the film Novocento a boy even has sex with a hole in the ground.

I don't know/anyway. What I'm saying is that it is an extreme logical thing that people are not only attracted to people of the opposite sex. Only I see now that in these times it is dealt with in the way you know so well. Which also means that if you make a good plan you could move to another city still do everything you need to do get married and be a most righteous, piously admonishing you, 100% nicely married (of course heterosexual, or do we not acknowledge these terms?) man or brother.

Maybe you can understand the following example:
If you were just an ordinary man. Can you understand that he would at least wonder or would feel like playing with another man or boy (for a change)? Just see how things are with another man who is really like him in body, can come off etc. Preferably with his (sexually attractive) wife there too, because that's nice and comfy?

Poeh, now I'm kind of tired writing all this but I will be back soon to make things even more coherent.

Greetings,
Peter