they don't listen to anything but their own beliefs and that's that. i tend to ask now before wasting my time: 'is 2+2=4?' and wait for the 'well yeah UNLESS...god can do what he wants so not necessarily!'

that's it! no matter what facts i tell you your'e gonna believe what you want to believe and blame it on the holy spirit (or) scripture.

if god wanted us to keep floundering in self-perpetuated lies to feed our egos he wouldn't have made the universe so logical and mathematical.

oh yeah and i still like boys. so hang me!