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Re: John 3, scripture and free will (aionios nb)

Posted by Robert-I on 2009-08-07 16:47:34, Friday
In reply to Re: Can you guys be my tutors? posted by bigcalv on 2009-08-07 00:13:16, Friday

I love John 3, but I don't see something there suggesting the holy spirit wrote the bible directly. To me, the Christian doctrine is "we have this treasure in earthen vessels" - the bible is the spirit's divine inspiration as seen through inspired human consciousnesses. That's why the bible can contain apparent scientific fallacies like a flat earth, and stars falling from the sky like figs. It's Islam that subscribes to the 'celestial dictaphone' school of thought about scripture writing, and thus to claims of scientific infallibility in the Quran. Ergo also the tendency to have a strong political wing promoting a very static society, suitable to a doctrine of law, not of spirit.

I owe our new member Aionios the insight that one bit of John 3, "The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit� offers one solution to his problem of where free will comes from. The ground level of free will is a person's ability to accept the Spirit or not. I assume this is built in to people as a sort of free will boot-up routine that can be activated if one purely wishes it. The unspirited world is otherwise enslaved to prior cause, but while God is creating new universe via the Spirit, we are not enslaved to prior cause. So, in the spirit, we can blow where we wish. Everyone who is born of the spirit has abundant freedom because we are engaged in new creation.


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