Christian BoyLove Forum #58860
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I agree with a lot of what you say in regards to accepting what the bible says as opposed to what makes sense to me. I don't view the bible as an infallible book handed down to us from God because history alone proves that to be highly unlikely; yet, even in my view it is still difficult to overcome the biblical admonitions against homosexuality since they seem to be a consistent theme throughout the bible.
I believe as you seem to, that if God says it is wrong, then it is wrong no matter how I may feel about it. Ultimately, if I wind up in a disagreement with God, guess who is right and who is wrong? Thus, I certainly understand where you are coming from and agree with much of what you say. However, there are some things in your post that I must question. If the above stated argument would be true for gays, then they would hold true for me and all boylovers also. But I find that totally unacceptable. Boylovers, by definition, can never have a lifelong committed relationship with a boy. The boy always grows up, and the dynamics of the relationship either evaporate or at least change. That makes a lot of sense, but it requires one to assume two things that are not necessarily a part of such a world view. First, it requires you to assume that a lifelong commitment is necessary to begin with. I could see how a lifelong commitment requirement could fit in with the second argument you were considering (why would God make someone that way if...), but it doesn't exactly fit the "God is love" argument. Second, if we do assume that a lifelong commitment is required, one still has to make a second assumption that the kind of commitment the bible requires is a lifelong monogamous sexual relationship with that person. What if the lifelong commitment in the case of a bl/yf is different? I know of now grown YFs whose sons are now the YF of the BL who was once his AF. I also know of BLs who have been the best man at their YFs wedding or godfather to their YFs children. What I am pointing out is that there are lifelong commitments besides monogamous sexual commitments. If we must assume that a lifelong commitment is necessary, then why should we assume that the lifelong commitment in question has to be a monogamous sexual commitment? Couldn't the BL / YF commitment be to be a mentor or best friend for life, to always be there for him to the best of your abilities, and to allow him to spread his wings when he is old enough to go out into the world? Also, a young boy is not old enough to feel the same kind of love for a man that the man can feel for him. Yes, he can love. Of course he can love. And his love can sometimes be intense. But it still isn't the same as it is for the man. Boys' love is generally more akin to what he feels for a father, whereas blers love is usually more romantic in nature. My point is that while gays' love can be pretty much mutual and alike, man/boy love cannot. I have two problems with this. First of all, how do you know this to be true? I know of cases that seem to show that boys can and sometimes do feel the same kind of love. Take Vili Fualaau for example, a pseudo-celebrity in the US who, at the age of 12, entered into a sexual relationship with his teacher, Mary Kay Letourneau. He's in his mid 20s now and has done interviews for a variety of media, including Larry King. He is consistent in his story that he fell in love with her in 6th grade and has loved her ever since. Here's a transcript of the Larry King interview: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/05/lkl.01.html Secondly, let us assume for a moment that you are right and boys really cannot feel the same kind of love back. How does that matter? Why would that have any bearing on whether God would approve of the relationship? I'm not even sure that men and women feel the same thing for each other either. And of course there are all the examples of when man/boy physical love has done real harm to the boy. There are far more examples of man/woman "physical love" doing real harm to one or both partners. Everything from the typical depressed person still hung up about "the ex wife", "my high school sweetheart", etc. to the person whose mental turmoil is so great it drives them to murder. We don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Just because love is a powerful emotion that is capable of harm does not mean we want to outlaw it. That's as true for man/boy relationships as it is for man/woman relationships. {I hope Blackstone doesn't jump in here and ask me for statistics and percentages. :)} Yeah. God forbid someone ask for something as crazy as actual evidence to back up what you claim to be facts. :) |