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Love and obedience

Posted by Cat on 2008-04-01 02:37:11, Tuesday

I want to make a statement of something I believe in response to some things that I've read here by CSL and Robert-I.

I agree that the imperative of Love is Scripture's ultimate teaching.

I agree that two people living together as a homosexual couple can genuinely love each other and have good fruit from their relationship.

but.

I also believe that love requires obedience. Jesus said "if you love me keep my commandments" (John 14:15 and 21). John said "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome." (1 John 5:3) and "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments." (1 John 5:2)
This means that we cannot define what constitutes love, but we must take our definitions and boundaries of love from Scripture.

I also believe that love requires holiness. This is where God sets aside something special for His own purposes. Sometimes God's holiness does not make sense to our natural minds (for eg. when he asked Israel not to wear clothing made of two different materials). Nevertheless, understanding of why is not required. What is required is to stay within the boundaries that God has set for us. Holiness sometimes has no other purpose than to separate something aside for God. It does not mean that what is not set aside is bad or evil, just that God has chosen to limit His people to separate them from the rest of the nations and mark them as His own.

I agree that Scripture does not directly address the issue of loving monogamous homosexual relationships.

I believe that it doesn't need to because Scripture clearly offers heterosexual marriage as the only holy relationship.
For example, Jesus said ""Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' (Matthew 19:4-5).
In my mind this passage clearly joins together the creation of male and female with the ideal of marriage and the unity of one flesh. The "FOR THIS REASON" makes all the difference.

Malachi (2:14-15) gives reason for this oneness
Yet you say, “For what reason?” Because the LORD has been witness Between you and the wife of your youth, with whom you have dealt treacherously; yet she is your companion And your wife by covenant. 15 But did He not make them one, Having a remnant of the Spirit? And why one? He seeks godly offspring. Therefore take heed to your spirit, And let none deal treacherously with the wife of his youth.

Paul further gives reason (Eph 5)
3But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. 4Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7Therefore do not be partners with them.

8For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light 9(for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) 10and find out what pleases the Lord. 11Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. 12For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, 14for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said:
"Wake up, O sleeper,
rise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you."

15Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, 16making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. 17Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord's will is. 18Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit. 19Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord, 20always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

21Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
Wives and Husbands
22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." 32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband."

This mystery of the relationship between Christ and the church is shown in the oneness of husband/wife marriage. It is a holy union with holy purposes. We don't set the boundaries of it, God does.

Surely if same gender marriage were acceptable it would be included, but it is not.

One path is given and on that path I believe we must walk otherwise we are not living in the holiness that God's love requires.

Blessings guys
Cat.

Cat


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