Christian BoyLove Forum #51296
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1) Jesus calls people to either heterosexual marriage or celibacy, according to a person's strength to remain celibate.
No. I think he calls them for a variety of reasons. But those he calls are given the strength to do so. 2) Homosexuals whom God does not change (at least to some degree) cannot enter faithfully into a heterosexual marriage. You are the one who has made that claim, not I. 3) All such homosexuals are called to celibacy. If they are not to be married, then yes. 4) God will not burden us beyond our capacity. Yes. 5) All such homosexuals are people who do (whether or not they are aware of it) have the strength for celibacy. I dont know who you mean by "such". If by "such" you mean homosexuals who remain unmarried, then yes. 6) Homosexual behavior (being outside the above defined parameters) is sinful. Right. as is any sexual behavior outside of marriage. Unless you wish to bring an argument against the ones I've brought (at various points) regarding the oft referenced Genesis and Leviticus passages, and the definition of arsenokoitai/es, then your argument is circular, because 1 presumes 6 (I have already shown that this passage can be interpreted as permissive of homosexual marriage if homosexual behavior is not essentially sinful.). There is also the passage in Romans as well as the traditions of the time (and all of the traditions as they have been passed down through the ages) and the overall theme of the bible. Yes, my argument relies on the sinfulness of extramarital sexual relationships. But yours relies on the opposite. Therein is our point of disagreement. Only if we take the stance that extramarital sexual relationships are not sinful, or if we take the stance that God meant for the allowance of homosexual marriage, despite what thousands of years of tradition might say, can we believe the way you do. If we are to translate the bible as understood by the overwhelming majority of people including the most learned students of scripture for the last several thousand years, then I must be right. In addition, it seems unrealistic to assume that all homosexuals not helped to change to be able to marry heterosexually are wrong in their self-assessment of their strength. As we have already established, if extramarital sexuality is sinful, and there are no provisions for homosexual marriage, then the only logical conclusion is this one (that those who are homosexual and believe they cannot control their sexual impulses are wrong in their self assessment). Any other conclusion would require that we not believe in the bible when it says we will not be tempted beyond what we can bear. After all, we trust straight people to identify their ability to be celibate or not. We do? that's news to me. Moses found, when it came to it, that he did have the strength after all, because God had given it to him. Why, then, do (many) Christian homosexuals not find this strength when faced with the challenge? Many do. Others give up. The fact someone gave up doesnt mean he couldn't have succeeded if he hadnt. |