ok so this is not a response to the post above but a comment on this entire discussion and I am not sure where else to put it.

Something that I think is missing from the people who say that masturbation is wrong (ok well masturbation with lust) is constructive other ways of relieving sexual tension and ways of living celibate that does not include masturbation.

Basically you call for total celibacy, physical and mental. This is currently a theological debate but I have yet to see anyone on that side suggest realistic ways of being totally celibate WITHOUT masturbation.