Nice 3000 words! Crazy, I hope it hasn't taken up to much of your time.

In going back to all of our posts back and forth. It looks like we agree on just about everything. For the most part. It looks like the main area of difference between us is the issue of Orientation. Just like you said...stop me if I am wrong. And maybe it is just a verbal barrier where we are not communicating to each other on the whole what we say that is.

And let me be clear here...I am strictly saying YOU and not the board as a whole. I would have to say, I still see alot of stuff on here that is total garbage. Not scripute based.

But from what I can infer from your posts we differ on the issue of Orientation. I am cool with that. You say you get these urges (paraphrasing) but do not act on them at all, or try with your every fiber of being, because we all fall. We all have that urge to do something sinful, be it drinking or seeing a hot girl. I tend to believe that is a sin in it self and should be confesed to God. You tend to believe (correct me) that the intial thought is ok...its just what we do with it after. Although I do think taking a YF is not a good choice. An alcoholic should not be around beer/drinks. Or even the friends he was around that made him become one. I just think you are tempting yourself too much, but I guess that is a personal call.

Now this may start a whole new debate...lol.

But can I ask why in the world would you call the forum "Christain boy lovers?"

Please to all the haters save your "We will call it what we want!" posts, or the "boy lovers doesn't mean what you think."

First impressions are hard to overcome right? Look at the forum that brought over this tidal wave. It must have caused alot of grief, in fact one person said he was going to leave. And I am sure it is not the first time. Why not something like Christain re-formed Boy lovers or Recovering boy lovers? The term boy-lover by most standards is pretty bad. Mix that with Christainty and people think you are trying to ok the act of "loving boys" with Jesus. Go ahead and argue that BL means something different then what most people think. But it just may take three days or more, or never. Why should you care? Because you are all claiming to be witn


What would people think if A.A. started off as Beer Lovers? You think people would be upset and not know that they were teaching people how to deal with that "love"? Just a thought.