Awesome. I appreicate the response. And not just a one line..."GET A LIFE AND LEAVE ME ALONE!!" Or the George W. Bush one really had me rolling. So creative.

Ok..here we go...

it is simply a person who loves boys. Not love like a friend, but love … more like that towards a son (I’m guessing …). It is different than the love towards adults because, well, adults are different. It is an attraction to the very essence of the boys … their spontaneous joy, their smile … everything. And yes, there normally is a sexual aspect of love in here too, but it is NOT the determining factor, nor the largest. But the thing is … its just love. A feeling. An attraction. AN ORIENTATION!

Ok, this will be a good ground floor to work from. Thanks for being honest.

I DO believe that Jesus allows us to be ORIENTATED this way.

See this is where I would LOVE to see some kind of scripture to back this up...don't just point to the New Testement and say..."here". I have given several scriptures that tells us exactly how this is not so. Yes Jesus loves us all, he died for us all, but part of that is confessing our sins to him. But you obviouly do NOT think it is a sin. But the Bible tells us in many different parts that it is. This is my main concern. The fall of man in the garden introduced sin into his perfect creation. The perfect plan (and we can call it perfect because it was made by GOD) was and is still a man and a woman. Men and women have twisted this for personal gratifaction and desires.

I’m not saying whether or not He approves of the sexual, objectifying thoughts and the actions.

Agreed.

How could Jesus not approve of love (what the essence of boy love is). His whole ministry was about love.

Along with my eariler paragraph...I think Jesus would not accept love that is perverted.


Ah, I am beginning to see where all this confusion is coming from!

No I don't think you see at all.

but, as I said, I can not find anything in either that says that my ORIENTATION (that is, being a BL) is against the law.

But I have shown you quite clearly where it IS against God's law. Stated many times. I have shown you exactly where to look in the Bible.

I said that because many bible passages are open to interpretation. You may see it one way, I may see it another. Since the authors aren’t around, all we have is best guesses – which aren’t worth debating in my opinion. And I probably won’t debate that with you if you tried – I won’t waste my time.

That is such a cop-out. If you interpet anyhting I have posted differnetly PLEASE let me know. Be specific, is it just a belief because you don't like it? Or was it translated from the old texts wrong? I think that certain things can be viewed differently but on the whole homosexualty has been identified very clear by God.



Please make sure to read everything carefully before you ask questions.

Let's do each other a favor and save this jab from any further posts. I did quite clearly read your whole post. It was an honest question. I could paste that statement all over this post. I choose not to talk down to you and would appreicate the same in return.



In out current society, there would be no way for him to talk about that with others without being ostracized or whatever. And due to the taboo around it, he’ll probably have guilty feelings and what not. If we get caught, then the legal system is an added part of the trauma. AND THIS IS IN A CONSENTUAL SETTING. If it was rape, it would be a cazillion times worse! Yes, I definitely think it is wrong to do.

Agreed. I think 99.99% of the world agrees.


Unlike being an alcoholic or druggie, being a Boy Lover is not a disorder. It is an orientation.

Again, I will disagree here. Jesus loved ALL. He still loves all. But you are making a concrete choice that you love one thing over another. You LOVE boys. Not children as a whole...but boys in particualr. Not saying you hate girls. But by your own admission you feel orientated towards boys. The love Jesus showed in "Matthew, Mark, Luke and John" (as you like to generalise) is for all of mankind. That is pure love. That is the love we are to mirror. Any stray from this is a perversion due to the sin in our lives.

You can’t say that you have never lusted over a woman, or anything for that matter).

Never made this claim at all...


Ok. Hmm … let me find the page. … here we go … the gospel of Matthew … the gospel of Mark … the gospel of Luke … and the gospel of John.

This is just lazy Christanity. Pointing to the Bible and saying.."its in there somewhere" is wrong.

In all of Jesus’s direct accounts of his life and ministry, everything has been about acceptance and love.

Actaully it is not. In fact he states very clearly why he came...(funny how I keep coming up with these specific verses huh?)

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39)

Does that sound at all like acceptence? Does he say "Hey whatever you want to do is cool...believe what you want" No, he is saying very clearly that some people will not like what he has come to tell us. That following him will not be easy.

As long as they agreed to turn away from sin

Agreed. All sin. Not just the ones we want to think is sin.

Well, believe me, I am tryin pretty damn hard to stay away from sin, and I accept Jesus as our savior, so I’m pretty sure he loves me, along with anyone else.

Again Agreed. He loves everyone.

Oh, and since this is like the 4th time me stating that simply being a Boy Lover is NOT a sin, then ya, I think we’re pretty good to go.

And since I have quite clearly shown where the Bible says that it IS a sin I do NOT think you are "good to go". ANY refrence you can give me would be greatly appreciated. ANY. But you fail to do so everytime except to point to the Bible and say..."somewhere in there". To me this is a commen misconception by many believers. They want to believe that it is ok, but shut their eyes and put fingers in thier ears when confronted with Biblical truth. You say it is open for interpratation, I and I ask again SHOW ME! Please. Show me any wiggle room and I can at least say that you have something to stand on.


Jesus didn’t say to the prostitute (Mary Magdalene) “don’t be attracted to men anymore”, but rather something along the lines of “change your ways and follow the truth”.

Correct. He saw that her attractiobn to men was perverted. And to continue in the Light of Jesus and to Love as he does. To live as God laid out many years before in his plan.


Jesus accepts that I am a BL. He doesn’t want me to lust after or hurt children.

He aknowledge's that you are human with sin. We all have sin...I have sin. But he asks us to trust in him and let go of every sinfull desire and thought. He did NOT "accept" that Mary Magdalene was a prostitue. He showed her wrongfullness of her ways and she repented.

Ok, I’ll work on it. It’ll be hard, but I’m trying.

That is awesome man. I will pray for you and your struggle.

Well, I don’t see that – especially from what I’ve stated above. But I guess I am biased.

We are all biased. We are all human.

If you can show me what parts of Jesus’ teachings I have excluded in what I’ve said, then I would gladly like to hear from you.

I would like to again say I think I have given many examples. Right from scripture. Not just Jesus, but all of the scripture God wants us to follow. But I can't see anything from anyone on this board for Biblical evidence to back-up anyhting here. Nothing. How can a forum claiming to be Christain not have scripture at all?

We aren’t hurting anyone by simply being a boy lover, and we are working to avoid committing the sins that BLers are tempted with. How can Jesus NOT love us?M

But you are in a way. Directly ...no. At least not yet. You have a forum whee people can come and be accepted doing something sinful. They talk to others and come to a false realization that what they think is ok. And since Jesus ok's loving boys the leap is not far for some weaker people. You seem to have a good handle on your urges. but what about others? See that is why Alcoholics Anonymous does not condone you being around alcohol at all. In any way.

And Jesus does love you. Everyone here.

Thanks again for the response.

I would still LOVE to see any Biblical reference to your beliefes that BL is ok. From anyone...please dont just make blanket statements. How could anyone hang thier salvation on a blanket statement?