Hey C-Matt!
Hmmm … well this is definitely a learning experience to say the least :P I guess it is different talking about BL issues to people who aren’t BLers because often it is easy to simply assume they know what I know. Anyways, I will do my best to clear up some vagueness. But remember, I cannot possibly speak for this board or BLers in general … this is just how I perceive boy love.

Let me first ask what you are meaning when you say BL. Not just you but what you perceive this whole board to view it as...

Sorry, but as you well know, I can’t speak for the board. But I will say that my views are a little less liberal than others (one poster said that if he didn’t know I was a BL, he would’ve thought I was against BLs during one post :P). Hopefully you can judge accordingly.

As far as what I mean when I say BL, it is pretty simple: it is simply a person who loves boys. Not love like a friend, but love … more like that towards a son (I’m guessing …). It is different than the love towards adults because, well, adults are different. It is an attraction to the very essence of the boys … their spontaneous joy, their smile … everything. And yes, there normally is a sexual aspect of love in here too, but it is NOT the determining factor, nor the largest. But the thing is … its just love. A feeling. An attraction. AN ORIENTATION! For me, anything outside of that isn’t boy love, but rather what you do with boy love – your actions and reactions and thoughts. There will be some technicalities about Boy Love that I will mention later on in my post – sorry if its confusing, I just thought it would flow better this way …

you believe that [Jesus] allows BL?

Oh no, I wouldn’t correct you, because you understand correctly. I DO believe that Jesus allows us to be ORIENTATED this way. I’m not saying whether or not He approves of the sexual, objectifying thoughts and the actions. From what I THINK (I don’t actually know for sure), Jesus wouldn’t approve of those things. But love? How could Jesus not approve of love (what the essence of boy love is). His whole ministry was about love. The greatest commandments deal with love. As long as boy love is kept pure then OF COURSE I believe than Jesus not only allows, but welcomes Boy Lovers. It is the individual BLer’s job to control that love and keep it pure. THIS is where we enlist in the help of God and Jesus – in the control of our instinctual urges. We have to look at what God would want us to do. There is nothing wrong with loving, but how that love is expressed is where we need God’s grace.

Just because the Bible does not say we should not go 55 in a 45 does not give us permission to speed. And there are strict laws that apply to age of consent. Yes?

Ah, I am beginning to see where all this confusion is coming from! Ok, what I said was “I cannot recall any saying that a particular orientation is considered being a sin”. You must have missed the word orientation, or taken orientation for more than what I described it up above. But that’s ok – misunderstandings. Yes, I definitely believe that we must obey the law! But why would you bring up age of consent laws? I thought it was made clear that neither this board nor 95% of its members condone sexual acts with minors. I most definitely do not either! So … how does that law apply to us? We don’t need consent to be a friend or to run around and play football with them, or talk with them and help them through a hard time. Hopefully from my above definition I have shown you that boy love is SO MUCH MORE than sexual desires (sexual actions are completely out of the question). I believe that we must follow both the laws of our country and the laws of God – but, as I said, I can not find anything in either that says that my ORIENTATION (that is, being a BL) is against the law.

Hmmmmm...this sounds sketchy?

That’s probably why I SAID: “And as far as actions, biblical references on the sinfulness of that is also sketchy beyond …”. I said that because many bible passages are open to interpretation. You may see it one way, I may see it another. Since the authors aren’t around, all we have is best guesses – which aren’t worth debating in my opinion. And I probably won’t debate that with you if you tried – I won’t waste my time. But it’s a good thing that we are of the SAME OPINION when it comes to physical acts with boys. So no worries …

Is this ONLY because of your safety?
That is clearly not what I said. Please make sure to read everything carefully before you ask questions. I said “society will just end up hurting both members involved”. Ok, yes – my life would be screwed up, but only if I was caught. How many times do you think people don’t get caught? A bunch I bet. My personal safety is probably only about 35% of why I think it is wrong. The other 65% is because how screwed over that boy will be for the rest of his life. IF we don’t get caught, the boy will definitely have a different-than-normal view of what male rolemodels should be in his life. In out current society, there would be no way for him to talk about that with others without being ostracized or whatever. And due to the taboo around it, he’ll probably have guilty feelings and what not. If we get caught, then the legal system is an added part of the trauma. AND THIS IS IN A CONSENTUAL SETTING. If it was rape, it would be a cazillion times worse! Yes, I definitely think it is wrong to do. And, to repeat myself again, even in a society where such sexual relationships were the norm (ancient Rome, etc), I still don’t know how I could fell. Actually, its impossible to tell: since we are “socially created beings” (Durkheim – one of the most renowned sociologists) we only can think so far outside of what we have been socialized to thing, we can’t get a proper perspective outside of our own. But here at least I think it is VERY wrong.

Is it possible that he has given you insight to yourself in order to seek help? He doesn't just cure the alcoholics, drug users etc.

If you read my response to T-Money you will see I have already partially addressed this topic, and with what I have already said, it should be explained by now. But I’ll recap just for fun. Unlike being an alcoholic or druggie, being a Boy Lover is not a disorder. It is an orientation. PLUS, as I have said above, nothing is wrong with it. BUT, I have sought help from God to help me with the lusting and sexual desires THOSE parts are bad. Not being a Boy Lover, but the perversions that happen within our mind sometimes (just as in other people’s minds. You can’t say that you have never lusted over a woman, or anything for that matter). So, while I haven’t sought God’s help in converting me, I have sought His help in making me a better person better trained to deal with such temptations. There is a huge difference. I think I am doing exactly what you wanted me to be doing – just the mix up of terms made it different.

Again please provide something in scripture to back this up (regarding Jesus being open to all people and orientations)

Ok. Hmm … let me find the page. … here we go … the gospel of Matthew … the gospel of Mark … the gospel of Luke … and the gospel of John. In all of Jesus’s direct accounts of his life and ministry, everything has been about acceptance and love. As long as they agreed to turn away from sin, they were loved and accepted. Well, believe me, I am tryin pretty damn hard to stay away from sin, and I accept Jesus as our savior, so I’m pretty sure he loves me, along with anyone else. Umm, we are God’s children, right? That metaphore is used to show the unconditional love from a parent to a child, then times infinity to get to how much God loves his children. We are all God’s children. Oh, and since this is like the 4th time me stating that simply being a Boy Lover is NOT a sin, then ya, I think we’re pretty good to go. Jesus didn’t say to the prostitute (Mary Magdalene) “don’t be attracted to men anymore”, but rather something along the lines of “change your ways and follow the truth”. Well, that’s what I’m trying to do. Jesus accepts that I am a BL. He doesn’t want me to lust after or hurt children. Ok, I’ll work on it. It’ll be hard, but I’m trying.

You look at the Bible and say...I like this part of Jesus and don't like this part of Jesus, and add this part of Jesus (that is made up)

Well, I don’t see that – especially from what I’ve stated above. But I guess I am biased. If you can show me what parts of Jesus’ teachings I have excluded in what I’ve said, then I would gladly like to hear from you. But as for you, I believe you have excluded one of Jesus’ most pivotal teachings – to love. We aren’t hurting anyone by simply being a boy lover, and we are working to avoid committing the sins that BLers are tempted with. How can Jesus NOT love us?

Wow. That was long, but I though you deserved a thorough answer. I definitely hope to hear back from you to continue our discussion! Talk to you soon.

Graces of God,
Deliverance