Re: post #96

I unfortunately got caught up in a movie on Lifetime last night, yeah I know. Anywho it was about the sex trade here in America, and how girls (and some boys) as young as 4 or 5 are sold here from Russia, Ukraine, Phillipines, ect... Well in the movie it showed these girls (and boys) and the men that would buy them, and all I can think about right now is that evil, horrible pedo look. The fat guy with the big coke bottle glasses, and that smile that makes your skin crawl. Except these men wear crucifixes.

Buying and selling of people for ANY reason or treating them like property is sad, illegal, and almost always harmful to the souls of everyone involved.

It's my understanding that the sex-trade of minors in America per capita is less than it is in some of the countries you mentioned, particularly poorer countries or cities in Europe and Asia and certain areas of Latin America, including Mexican areas just south of San Diego. Thankfully, the FBI is at least somewhat effective at catching and deterring such illegality.


Re: post #109

That's one thing I want to find out. I have to know what the logic is behind their thinking.
People here do not all think in the same way, just like people at FreakSafari don't all think in the same way. There's no "how do they think" but rather a bunch of "how does {insert name here} think" questions.

Please consider that most people posting here have different attitudes than "clinical studies" or observations of people who are in jail or on their way to jail. Although some people here may have had sex with under-aged youth or even children in the past, most or all have committed themselves do not doing so in the future. If you want a more representative sample of boylovers, look to web boards that do not have a particular religious or moral underpinning.

Re: Post #128
Can you provide the URL or at least the subject line for that post you quoted?
Is the "most of you" in I highlighted what I believe is what most of you are thinking/feeling, am I right? most people on FreakSafari or most people on CBLF?

Re: post 143
Well why don't you try to find the root cause of your problem?
The root cause is almost certainly a combination of genetics, pre- and post-natal biological environment (e.g. what mom ate, toxins in the air, etc.), and the social/mental/sensory environment (life experience). Any effective long-term study to find the "root cause" or "major contributors" to pedophilia would cost at least in the high 5 figures if not 6 or 7 figures, and would likely not be funded due to the controversy certain outcomes could cause. If it were funded and a controversial outcome found, the results would likely be buried. As a point of comparison, nobody will fund a study to find what makes people gay or straight or what makes them attracted to people their own age. If we could find the "straight" gene and the "likes your own age" gene maybe we could find "cures" for homosexuality and pedophilia. Or maybe some pro-gay dictator in some 3rd world country would insist on "curing" all his advisors of "heterosexuality." Yes, maybe we can find the root cause, but should we, and if we do, what do we do with that information?

Thinking about sleeping with a 12 year old is almost as bad as sleeping with a 12 year old.
Actually, it's a lot less dangerous. By thinking about such things and "getting it out of ones system" at least for a time, it greatly reduces the chance that one's repressed thoughts might suddenly well up to the surface at the wrong time. The first step in AA is to admit you are an alcoholic. Most recovering alcoholics think about alcohol at least once every time they go to a meeting. To use another analogy, many men, including President Jimmy Carter, "think about adultery." It is far less dangerous to think about it than to actually do it.

What's the reason for the pedophilia? That is what makes these men messed up, the root cause. There must be some reason these men feel the way they do, what is it? Were they molested? Are they gay and were taught to believe they are evil, so they pushed that feeling deep, deep down until it turns into pedophilia?
As I alluded to elsewhere, there is no one answer. For each possible answer you gave and many you didn't, the answer is yes for at least one pedophile or teen-boy-lover somewhere on this planet.

From Post #156
[Quoting from Dakota] The 2 things most of us have in common is that we are born again Christians and have a sexual attraction to boys.
This is not 100% true. At least a few present and past posters are not boylovers, but were or are here to offer support. Also, while every Christian is technically "born again" some do not fit the stereotype of "I know the day I was born again" that typifies evangelical and fundamentalist Christians.

From: Post #157
Re: JD420 - Thank you for posting that!




Some other points that are not directly related to your posts:

On copyrights and netiquette:
Please include the CBLF URL for all posts you repost to FreakSafari.
CBLF posts, like FreakSafari posts, are copyrighted by the authors. Please consider "fair use" before reposting entire posts, or get permission from the post authors. Fair use usually restricts you to snippets you are directly commenting on.
You may post anything I write in this thread in the FreakSafari thread in question provided you post the URL of the CBLF post. The only exception is boilerplate CBLF text and text I quote from other sources: I do not have the authority to grant you permission post that material. You may have fair-use rights to post it, however.

On Internet safety:
People from FreakSafari who are nervous about IP address collection may want to use a proxy. There are many listed at http://www.proxy.org. Note that some proxies are banned from posting unless you are registered.

On the definition of pedophilia:
Some boylovers like young boys, say, preschool and young elementary school.
Some like older boys, elementary school and jr. high.
Some like adolescents, high school age. In some states and countries it's legal to have sex with this group, particularly the 16-18 year old high school students.
Strickly speaking, pedophilia, as defined by psychiatrists, deals with sexual attraction by adults who are done with puberty to pre-adolescent children, or to adolescents with pre-adolescent children more than 6 years younger, specifically excluding ongoing romantic relationships between people who are around 18 and people who are around 12-13.
Boylove includes up to the local age of legal consent or social acceptance. This is because relationships with youth and boys below this age are legally or socially verboten, and the very fact that it is verboten creates a peer group in need of self-support, a group that calls itself boylovers.
Reference: DSM-IV TR, look it up.

On the topic of ages of attraction:
You should be aware that many teens and early-20-something BoyLovers find their "age of attraction" rises over time. Rather than being fixed at "8-12" or "12-15" like many boylovers, or fixed at "current age +/- 5 years" like most "normal" people, they find theirs fixed at "current age minus 10-15 years." By the time they are in their 30s or 40s, they are only interested in adults, albeit much younger ones. Even if these people go to jail in their teens or 20s they will no longer be a "danger to minors" when they "age out." A high school sophomore is much more "dangerous" to an 8th grade girl than one of these men, both because he is interested in her body and because he may be immature and may not respect her wants and needs like he will when both of them are 5 years older.

On the topic of representative posters:
2 or 3 of us are talking to you on your board and another few here. Please do not assume most CBLF posters are like any particular individual. Threads such as this tend to bring out the more vocal individuals, some of whom are very non-representative. I see one has already earned himself a ban. I'm not surprised. You will miss voices of moderation unless you study this board over time. Look at the Old Posts and Archives.

On the topic of age and readiness for sex:
Chronological age itself is not a factor in whether someone is ready to have sex, but it is highly correlated to factors that are. Those factors include but are not limited to emotional maturity, mental maturity, knowledge, experience in life and love (without sex), physiological development, desire/hormones or lack thereof, feelings of erotic love to your partner or lack thereof, and a shared desire to have sex unencumbered by any feelings of "I have to feel this way" or "I have to say yes." Where pregnancy is possible, readiness to raise and provide for children is also a factor. I can't think of anyone below the age of 2 that feels this way, it's very rare (like probably a few per million children) to find anyone below the preteen/tween years who meets all these requirements, and it's somewhat rare (few per hundred or per thousand?) for a tween or early adolescent to meet all these requirements. Older adolescents may meet all these requirements in the abstract but it's rare for them to feel this way about someone old enough to be their father. Rare, but it does happen.
In societies, particularly ancient ones, where "training for adulthood" ends at around 13 or 14, people tend to get married and have sex at that age. The difference today in the West is there is so much more to learn and the bar for emotional and mental maturity, knowledge, and life experience has been raised so high that many fewer 13 or 14 year olds meet the readiness criteria. Some do, however.

On the topic of adolescent sex offenders:
I think the claim that "half of sex offenders were under 18 at the time" is over-stated, but not by much.
Many are mentally immature and won't think twice about hurting others including very young children. With proper psychiatric care and a good re-entry plan into the community, they will overcome this. Putting them on sex-offender lists isn't helpful and the stress may increase their risk of re-offending. The best solution is supervision until they grow out of it.
Many don't realize they are hurting children and once you convince them that they actually hurt someone, they will never do so again. Putting them on scarlet-letter lists isn't helpful, but as their guild has driven risk of re-offending is zero, their being the sex-offender registry won't increase this risk. The best solution is a discharge and, if they were a minor at the time, a sealed juvenile record.
Many violate the law on a technicality. They have sex with a girlfriend who is 4 or 5 years younger than themselves. They were never a danger to anyone and never will be. The proper response is a full pardon and a change in the law to make their actions non-criminal.
A few are just plain evil. The proper response is jail time plus supervised release to see if they've figured out how to live in society. If they show indications they haven't, then violate their parole.
Hmm, come to think of it this range of possibilities isn't much different than adolescents who commit other crimes.

On the topic of recidivism rates:
From a federal report:
Sex offenders were about four times more likely than non-sex offenders to be arrested for another sex crime after their discharge from prison –– 5.3 percent of sex offenders versus 1.3 percent of non-sex offenders. What this doesn't tell you is that other criminals are more likely than sex offenders to be re-arrested for a similar crime or for crimes in general. In other words, if you want to protect society from "bad people" you are much better off having a felon's database than a sex-offender database. It also doesn't tell you that "low risk" offenders are just that - low risk, and putting them on the Internet or in the newspapers distracts attention from high-risk offenders.

On the topic of pitchforks and death wishes:
Hating and wishing ill of someone is never good for one's soul. If you find yourself filling up with hate when you read posts on this topic, then go read something else. Go hug your kids and teach them how to be safe from the unknown would-be child molester in your neighborhood and from the brother or brother-in-law that you'd never suspect wanted to get into his neice's pants. Teach them to come to you about anything and everything. Don't waste your time brooding and hating.